new Zvezda Napoleonics?

[giorgio]

who cares the price! they are sexually exciting!

[sansovino]

Sorry Giorgio for your sarcasm, the price is an argument against the figures and especially new market-policy. It´s still plastic but to prices of small manufactories. You can´t build armies with them, if you aren´t rich. It´s a silly strategy of Zvezda which they will hopefully change. 9 horses for € 15 and more depending where you are living!
And it´s still more a pity in regard of the elimination of more and more regular sets.

[Zed1]

That French dragoon firing his musket from horseback looks really exciting. Never saw that pose before.

But is it worth spending 5€ plus postal charge for it?

Certainly not. Especially when keeping in mind that Zvezda is one of the big manufacturers. If a metal figure producer sells small series for that price, well - okay. But not for cheap plastic from a mass producer, sorry.

[santifernandez]

Today I bought this box.




https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-EXmv ... CF7823.JPG
Good prize and good quality.
Santi.

[Beano Boy]

I am glad that you are pleased with your boxed set santi. I`m sure it will look splendid when painted by you. Be careful that the tiny pieces don`t fly off the sprue and get lost on the floor, it`s a nightmare trying to find them, believe me I know this to be the case.
Am I right that there is only 1 Gun in the box?
If that is so, then buying two boxes would give one the option of having one firing and one being made ready to fire. This to me means that three figures would not be needed. The two figures moving the gun into position by leaver action, and one gunner about to fire the cannon. These weapons could not be held in such a way when firing. A waste of three figures in a tiny box set is a massive mistake by Zvevda. BB

[steve_pickstock]

My two boxes arrived about ten minutes ago. And first impressions are quite nice.

Artillery has always been a deficiency in my French Army and I tried the Zvezda soft plastic sets (still, in my opinion one of the really great sets) but this - I think - will do the job nicely.

I paid £4.25 for each box, and that I think is borderlijne expensive, but not unreasonable, especially as I will be looking at more boxes in the future, and I'm not having to pay for horse teams that i won't paint or use.

Looking at the sprue there's a big section with nothing in it, and I wonder if there were more figures planned originally, but I can work with the ones that are provided, especially as they're hard plastic and easier to convert. I see it as two available options - 'making ready' and 'firing' and there's options within those two groupings for animating the figures and arranging them around the guns.

[MikeRC97]

Question for Santi or Steve - I can't tell from the pictures if the French figures are wearing the pre-1812 uniform or the Bardin uniform, can either of you confirm which it is? The box art shows the pre-1812 uniform but that is just recycled box art from the big set 8028. The line infantry set 6802 is in the Bardin uniform so I am assuming these are as well.

[MikeM]

I recently received both the Russian and French dragoons. Beautiful figures, in my opinion well worth the money for the quality of sculpting and execution. I do not like the French dragoon firing from the saddle, as this is hardly possible with the dragoon musket, but the figure lent itself to a quick and easy conversion as a dismounted dragoon standing next to his horse, firing on foot. This is, however, a great waste of a pose with only 3 figures, and will prevent me from buying more of this set. The French are in the Bardin regulation uniform.

[steve_pickstock]

The artillery are in Bardin as well.

[loosingar]

The great sh*t!

Dragoons wore dark green double-breasted coats with six rows of buttons.
Collars, cuffs and epaulettes were of the same color in each regiment. Buttons were gold or silver - colored instrument metal shelf. Fuld flaps on all red uniforms.
Standard helmet of heavy cavalry of the sample in 1808, the same as that of the cuirassiers - black patent leather with two leather visors, front edged copper rim. The height of the helmets was 22-26 cm from the top it was attached leather crest, towering in front of 10 cm. In front of the helmet was a copper nalobnik stamped with the coat of arms: a dragoon regiments of the army, it was the two-headed eagle in the Life Guards Dragoon Regiment - the star of the Order St. Andrew the First-Called. At the crest of the helmet was fixed plume of black horsehair. On each side of the helmet was a belt buckle with sewed copper scales.
At the parade dragoons wore white pants and black boots, in a campaign - Pulling obschekavaleriyskie gray leggings with short boots.


Line dragoon regiments wore dark green double-breasted coat with six rows of buttons and red lining coattails. In the Life Guards Dragoon was uniform with red lapel. Collar, shoulder straps, cuffs and metal buttons of his uniform in each regiment yourself.
At the parade Dragoons wore white pants and black boots, in a campaign main cavalry gray leggings with short boots.
Helmets, cartouche and arms were the same as that of cuirassiers - Guard and Line. However, the sword was a little different from cuirassiers. In some regiments stationed in the Caucasus (Vladimir, Nizhny Novgorod, Taganrog, Narva), instead of broadswords relied sword sheathed in iron. In addition, the belt hung bayonet scabbard, while guns were not selected, as in the rest of the cavalry.
Caps had a dark green crown of a band and edgings of the regimental color.
Musicians (trumpeter) dragoon regiments distinguished sheathed white with a blue bar at the center (in the Guard - yellow with a red stripe) taped at the seams and sleeves uniform and a red plume on their helmets. Musicians non-commissioned officer rank (trumpet-major) also had all of the relevant non-commissioned officers of the differences. Timpani in dragoon regiments were abolished, except in the premium Saint-Petersburg Regiment.
Differences form dragoon officers from the lower ranks were similar differences cuirassier officers. Embroidery on the collar and cuffs were only allowed officers to L-Guards. Dragoon and Riga Dragoon Dragoon his uniform officers were not supposed to. Coat - dark green with a collar and cuffs, as in uniform.
Dragoon saddling horses differed from saddling cuirassier and was similar to the saddling of the Light Brigade. Saddlecloth all reasons relied dark green with laying out in the form of a wide panel (stripes), piping and monogram color application. At Saddle L-Guards. Dragoons on the trouser stripe sewn two yellow trimmings (the officers and gold braid).



Zvezda 6811 - Russian Dragons
LifeGuard Dragon Regiment.
Chasing at helmets - two-head eagle for line regiments instead eight-pointed star for life guard regiment?



Zvezda 6817 - Russian Dragons command group
Any from 36 LINE dragon regiments (not a LifeGuard!!!).
Hessian boots - maybe stolen from cuirassiers?





all 37 russian drag reg:

Life Guards regiment of dragoons
Arzamassky Regiment
Borisoglebsky Regiment
Vladimirsky Regiment
Derptsky Regiment
Zhitomirsky Regiment
Ingermanlandsky Regiment
Irkutsky Regiment
Kazansky Regiment
Kargopolsky Regiment
Kievsky regiment
Kinburnsky Regiment
Kurlandsky regiment
Liflandsky Regiment
Mitavsky Regiment
Moscowsky Regiment
Narvsky Regiment
Nezhynsky Regiment
Nizhegorodsky Regiment
Novgorodsky Regiment
Orenburgsky regiment
Pereyaslavsky Regiment
Pskovsky Regiment
Rigsky Regiment
St. Petersburgsky Regiment
Seversky regiment
Serpukhovsky Regiment
Sibirsky Regiment
Smolensky regiment
Starodubovsky Regiment
Taganrogsky regiment
Tversky Regiment
Tiraspolsky Regiment
Finlandsky Regiment
Kharkovsky regiment
Chernigovsky Regiment
Yamburgsky Regiment



Showing 22 of existed 36 dragoon regiments:
Regiment Regimental color Regiment lace Notes
Rijsky red yellow
Starodubovsky red white Reformed in December 1812 in Starodubovsky Cuirassier
Kharkovsky orange yellow
Seversky orange white Reformed in December 1812 in Seversky horse-chasseurs
Tverskoy blue yellow
Chernigovsky blue white Reformed in December 1812 in Chernigovsky horse-chasseurs
St. Petersburgsky pink yellow
Moscowsky pink white
Smolensky yellow yellow
Kinburnsky yellow white
Pskovsky fire orange-red yellow Reformed in December 1812 in Pskovsky Cuirassiers
Kargopolsky fire orange-red white
Vladimirsky buff (or pale-buff?) yellow
Nizhegorodsky buff (or pale-buff?) white
Taganrogsky gray yellow
Narvsky gray white
Orenburgsky black yellow
Ingermanlandsky black white
Irkutsky white yellow Reformed in December 1812 in Irkutsky Hussars
Sibirsky white white
Kazansky crimson yellow
Kievsky crimson white
The second generation - June 1803
Kurlandsky turquoise yellow
Novorossiysky turquoise white
Borisoglebsky violet yellow
Pereyaslavsky violet white Reformed in December 1812 in Pereyaslavsky horse-chasseurs
The third generation - 1805-1806 year
Liflyandsky red with white piping yellow Reformed in December 1812 in Liflyandsky horse-chasseurs
Zhytomyrsky red with white piping white
Finlandsky white with red piping yellow
Mitavsky white with red piping white
Tiraspolsky red yellow Reformed in December 1812 in Tiraspolsky horse-chasseurs
Yamburgsky red white
Nejinsky turquoise yellow Reformed in December 1812 in Nejinsky horse-chasseurs
Arzamassky turquoise white Reformed in December 1812 in Arzamassky horse-chasseurs
Serpukhovskoy yellow yellow
Derptsky yellow white Reformed in December 1812 in Derptsky horse-chasseurs

[Mr Schmitt]

Loosingar, you are right. Again quite disappointing.

But do you know the colour of the flag of the guard dragoons?

Thank you in advance.

[loosingar]

In 1809, the Life Guards Dragoon Regiment granted the simple flags of the sample in 1803, one white and four green, with the inscription along each of the sides: "Съ нами Богъ" (Shoo our GOD). Flags awarded the regiment in 1810.

reconstruction


photo from museum



In 1814, the Life Guards regiment of dragoons appointed (but never given to the regiment) St. George's banners, one white and 5 green with the words: "За отличiе при пораженiи и изгнанiи непрiятеля изъ пределов Россiи 1812 года" (For distinction in the defeat and expulsion of the enemy out of Russian borders 1812). The highest order of Emperor Alexander Award differences different regiments, April 13, 1813.

photo from museum

[Mr Schmitt]

спаси́бо!

[Jerzy]

Zvezda French Infantry Command Group

http://www.martola.com.pl/pl469/produkt ... onic_wars_

[davbenbak1]

Good to know that it is actually on sale somewhere. I'm still waiting for Hat to release theirs.