MABO wrote:nag ?
Old english (late medieval) from the Dutch Neg or negge = small horse
Beano Boy wrote:There was a bishop that used one if i remember correctly that fought for Williams cause,and his own too, for there was loot and land a plenty promised,but he made a holy vow not to use the sword during the up and coming noisy scrap.
Odo, Earl of Kent, Bishop of Bayeux, half-brother of William.
Clubs were common weapons, William used one at hastings. That both both Odo's and William's use one suggests that Clubs may have been a mark of authority, similar to the vine-branch cudgel used by the ancient Romans.
That his clerical Status forbids him or he said that he didn´t want to draw blood by using a sword is a Myth. Nowhere is he qouted as saying so, he was in fact better known as a fighter and was one of Williams noted companions.
The myth of clerics not Spilling blood Comes from 19th century (Curiosities Of Literature, Volume 1: Isaac Disraeli..yep the father of Benjamin Disraeli) Retro fitting of historical Facts, ie taking the saying from the Inquisition..Ecclesia non novit sanguinem (The church knows not blood) where they handed over thier victims to secular torturers and adding it to the rest of the medieval clergy.
The one with a mitre is Holding a ..er?..sword
Picture from Einhard's 9th-century biography of Charlemagne.
Tilpin, Archbishop of Reims from 748-794, is described as using a Club, a Lance (at the battle at Roncesvalles pass 778 ) or a sword at various Points, not forgetting the various clerical brotherhoods, Teutonic, Livonians etc..and..
One of the illustrations from the 13th Cent Fechtbuch, shows a fighter with shaved head (tonsure) common to Medieval clergy at the time..
Your honour..I rest my case
The bod with the Club would do as both Odo or William
Odo (middle with Club)
William (middle raising helmet)
The one with a cross?? Replace with Club?