Red Box - Cimmerians

[Paul]

The White nag..is it an "limp" unicorn who hasn´t taken it´s viagra ?...and hopefully the mounted set will have nags as Mounts and not escapees from a zoo

[KenzoSato]

Interesting

[tom s]

i see there is 2 sets of these coming out.
good year for fantasy sets.

[Cryns]

Thanks for posting these.

But the title irritates me. The Cimmerians were a historic nomadic people similar to Scythians. These figures look like sci-fi or fantasy. I see Conan already with the two handed sword. Rober E. Howard, writer of Conan pocketbooks, used to read a lot about ancient cultures and he used everything he wanted since his American public didn't know much about European and Asian history. There started the pollution of our already scarce awareness and knowledge of ancient civilization and this set adds to that pollution.

It may be that Dark Alliance is a range for fantasy figures only. But that still does no justice to this title.

[MABO]

It may be that Dark Alliance is a range for fantasy figures only. But that still does no justice to this title.

I think this is it. It should be fantasy. I think haaving this in mind the figures can be of some use. They are unique in our scale, as far as I know.

But I am not sure if Dark Alliance is the right company to make a set of historical correct Imperial Romans e.g.

[Beano Boy]

Pure Fantasy !

We once had a Good Sci Fi & Fantasy section on the Forum. BB

[steve_pickstock]

It may be obvious but I will just state it anyway - I am a big fan of fantasy in general and these figures in particular.

I moved away from fantasy in 28mm many years ago and concentrated on 1/72nd and historical games. The advent of Dragon Rampant a very nice set of small scale fantasy rules by Osprey Publishing changed that. Playing with armies of Goblins (Caesar), Orcs (Red Box) and Undead (a mix of both) has brought fantasy wargaming back to life for me. The rules are relatively simple, the armies small and the games are fun.

These are not based on any block buster movies made in New Zealand but from what I can see they do give a respectful nod to films - Red Sonya, and Azula from the Schwarzenegger Conan films, and I'm sure I will be able to see more in the Cimmerian sets.

And that is the point these aren't historical Cimmerians (I'd probably go poking about in the Hat and Caesar Biblical ranges for them), these are R E Howard's Cimmerians from a time when men were men, etc, and the best sound in the world - to some anyway - was the lamentation of your enemy's women.

Just looking forwards to the day when I can turn up to the club and do my best Sean Bean/Boromir impression - "I've bought a cave troll!"

[sberry]

If we ever need a zentaur like this one here, I’m pretty sure Red Box or Dark Alliance would be the right company for the job. The pose with the chainsaw perhaps would be the one most likely to be made, being perfectly in line with the historical accuracy of the "Cimmerians".

[Cryns]

We once had a Good Sci Fi & Fantasy section on the Forum. BB

WHERE DID THAT ONE GO?

Please Webmasters and Moderators re-open that Sci Fi & Fantasy section again, drop all weird stuff in there and keep historical knowledge and awareness clean.

Thank you.

[Paul]

or..we could open a rivet Counters section.

[Cryns]

or..we could open a rivet Counters section.

Create a new section for me alone?

Oh no that would be too much honor.

[Paul]

Create a new section for me alone?

Oh no that would be too much honor.

No Problem with discussion* but the set is obviously a Fantasy one.
As for the titel, maybe it is difficult for the makers to give any set an exact titel without some form of interpretation...especially as thier first language isn´t english. I recently saw a set with a titel (which is entirely appropiate for the subject) that made me laugh because it can have a completely different meaning as the one intended
http://www.fredericus-rex.eu/de/Masssta ... -1-72.html

As for having a section purely for Fantasy, yep there was one but those sections got combined (for good or bad) when the Forum was re-arranged. As this is a new set it´s been posted in the appropiate section. If it was painted up then it belongs in the Gallery or WIP and if there was a Fantasy section then it would go there.
Before Forum moved to it´s new Format, it was discussed as to wether there should be a whole range of sections, historical, Fantasy, etc but it was generally considered that it would become unwieldy and some section (on the old format) where hardly being used. Further, would the historical section have to have Sub sections by era which could possibly lead to cul-de-sacs of interest. Basically, where would the sub-Division of Forums end? A napoleonic section divided by countries and then troop types ? A Napoleonic discussion, WIP, new sets section as well?
There would always be someone wanting a new section and eventually it would water the Forum down .There lays the path to madness.

* This, IMHO, is anything but discussion

If we ever need a zentaur like this one here, I’m pretty sure Red Box or Dark Alliance would be the right company for the job. The pose with the chainsaw perhaps would be the one most likely to be made, being perfectly in line with the historical accuracy of the "Cimmerians".

[Cryns]

Thank you so much for your reply and answer Paul.
You have several strong points there for not splitting up history and fantasy.
I have to admit I agree with all of it.
I even came up with another reason myself since this topic started last week: where is the line between history and fantasy? There are very good Anglo Saxons produced as being part of Fantasy Ranges or LOTR.
With these Dark Alliance Conan-Cimmerians its clear: pure fantasy (with the wrong naming) But, for example, what to do with Atlantic Roman Cavalry and Chariots. They were presented as historical figures but 90% of it is pure fiction.
I would not know how to 'box' those figures.

[Paul]

Maybe, at the end of the day, it´s down to the individual.
Does one want an exact represention of the subject of interest or will Close enough do?
The "cimmerians" above I wouldn´t use (titel or otherwise) as the historical Version, the Lotr anglo saxons yes.
Difficult, but I suppose the clear difference between history and Fantasy is that historical would be something that correctly portrays an Event or objects/people that actually ocurred/existed (using all available evidence) and something that is Fantasy is more or less the opposite, a fiction.....although things like steam punk, Imagi-Nations and What ifs, mix factual things with a fictional storyline.
...The Atlantic romans? Possibly they fit somewhere inbetween. A possible titel for the sets..?..Toy Roman soldiers? But then, where does the term Toy stop? A lot of People not involved in the Hobby see the Little lumps of plastic etc as Toys.

[Paul]

Maybe, at the end of the day, it´s down to the individual.
Does one want an exact represention of the subject of interest or will Close enough do?
.

Just remembered..I had thoughts (a difficult idea to explain and I did the exact same mistake as RedBox, gave the thread a misleading titel) along similar lines not so Long ago
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19493&p=211209#p211209

[sberry]

This, IMHO, is anything but discussion

Yep, it’s irony, not serious discussion. Frankly speaking, I don’t think that all topics coming up on this forum indiscriminately require the same level of earnest, scholarly discussion. And after reading a thread starting with the words

The White nag..is it an "limp" unicorn who hasn´t taken it´s viagra ?

I felt entitled to add my own ironic remark.
But perhaps we should also have a special irony section.